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Timoz · Sep 05, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16

IXchel- you propose that hitting a random team button switches someones build completely to a preset build when as people have already mentioned here they would want to try out other bulds if this function was implemented... ummm.

Make your own groups ppl, advertise something like, Random group LF anyone who wants to join and have some tombing fun testing builds...

Theres no point in introducing this whole new function when all you have to do is type such a thing.

Judging by the early replies to the thread there are a few people feeling the same way, so why not give this a try??.. you dont have to organise just clikc a few buttons..

Failng that join a pvp guild.

after all its >GUILD WARS< you fight with your guild.. if they're not providing you with what you want and some fun pvp with it then why are you there?

emil knight · Sep 06, 2005, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by wolfy3455

You shouldn't complain you're not getting groups if you're unwilling to conform to a team build. If you don't have a team build, you're never going to see HoH unless its a really inactive time where youget there straight from unworthies. They aren't looking for "the cool kids", they just want people that fit their build. You already said you won't change for a group. Unless your comp has sound problems, TS and vent are easy to use, so that shouldn't be a problem.

And why should I be forced to conform to YOUR wishes just so I can enjoy a part of the game? Shouldn't I be allowed to enjoy it MY way? Maybe I've tested my build, I think it's pretty good and I'd like to give it a try in THIS setting. I've tested many different builds in PvP and GvG... The Tomb is a TOTALLY different experience.

Team builders in the Tomb only want people that fit THEIR build, you are correct. So if I "don't conform" I don't get to play. I've actually seen people say "if you're below X rank, don't bother asking for an invite" That's elitism at it's worst. I'd like to play, and naturally I'd like a fair chance to win. I AM there for fun, but how fun would it be if I lose EVERY TIME? Also... what If I don't WANT to use a voice program? Maybe that's not my thing for whatever reason? So you're saying I should be FORCED to use one if I want to go into HoH? Ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by wolfy3455

Then request an 8 v 8 RT arena that moves up to tombs after a certain number of wins. Don't bore the rest of us in addition to scaring clueless new pvpers away through frustration. If you want to make a new build, test it part by part in TA or in unrated GvG. Actually, you can just test it in tombs and no one will care.

Why should I ask for a new arena when this one exists and it's the one I want to see? If all the teams are random, why should it matter? I did already say a built team and a random team should NEVER fight on the same battlefield. Random Tomb would be ENTIRELY RANDOM. It wouldn't make sense to have a random team fight a built team. That doesn't happen at the 4 V 4 random arena does it? No, but everyone seems to be assuming that's what would happen if this idea would be implemented. It would be completely ludicrious to make it that way. It would have to be a separate instance to make it reasonable and fair.

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Originally Posted by wolfy3455

IxChel, your idea is terrible. Its a waste of programming time, and from your statements I can tell that either you mean something completely different from what I'm thinking or you don't know programming very well. The build sucks (a life transfer necro or degen mesmer as damage dealers? come on). What happens to the people that don't fit into the random build?

Don't get hung up on the build he posted, it's just an example, I'm sure. The basic idea is sound and I'm sure it could be coded fairly easily.

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Originally Posted by Timoz

Failng that join a pvp guild. after all its >GUILD WARS< you fight with your guild.. if they're not providing you with what you want and some fun pvp with it then why are you there?

Actually I'm a guild leader... not all of my guild is on all the time, because it's a guild made up mostly of my friends. Also I don't expect anyone in my guild to do PvP if they don't want to, and not all of them do. Sometimes I just go do PvP alone.

Your "start a random group" idea is pretty good... but wouldn't it be the same if we just had a button for that? Then we wouldn't have to spam "LFG PEOPLE FOR A RANDOM GROUP, INVITE YOURSELF!"

telarin · Sep 06, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

/signed
they can implement it simillar to the random arenas where random teams first fight with other random teams in the normal tombs map and after 10 wins get into matches with organised teams and go for HoH.

they can implement it by introducing another district in the tombs where it's random only.

neoteo · Sep 06, 2005, 07:02 AM // 07:02

voice program is almost minimum requirement to win the hoh

i never won the hoh , i was there one time with a very good voice team , and we lose the first match ... ( korea was there )

they sould implemente TS or VENT in the game , we could still provide servers , but im sure buying the code from TS or VENT and put it in the game is not much work or money ...

and would be much easyer for Not Advenced computer users , to start using it

i mean , for some people downloading a program and install it, can be a nightmare

Forboding Angel · Sep 06, 2005, 07:50 AM // 07:50

We aren't talking about random pugs winning the hoh here. We are talking about just being able to hit a button and play.

WHY THE HELL IS EVERYONE SO OPPOSED TO THIS?

Christ, If you don't like it then just look at it as free fame and faction. You can play tombs and clean house on faction. Unless the pug beats your guild. Now wouldn't that be embarrassing? HMMMM?

I apologize for being so melodramatic

Timoz · Sep 06, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by emil knight

Actually I'm a guild leader... not all of my guild is on all the time, because it's a guild made up mostly of my friends. Also I don't expect anyone in my guild to do PvP if they don't want to, and not all of them do. Sometimes I just go do PvP alone.

Your "start a random group" idea is pretty good... but wouldn't it be the same if we just had a button for that? Then we wouldn't have to spam "LFG PEOPLE FOR A RANDOM GROUP, INVITE YOURSELF!"

If your the leader, then its your duty, along with your friends and officers to change the guild and shape it as you want.

You said you want to win otherwise you don't like it?.. you don't win through constantly joining random teams and you would not win garunteed if this function were introduced if you came up against a half decent team.

Even if there was an elimination kinda thing and teams only go in after beating other random teams.. they would again get beatne by a half decent team.

I just don't want rank to seem worthless and fame to be so easy to get as well as the tomb getting clogged up.

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Originally Posted by neoteo

voice program is almost minimum requirement to win the hoh

i never won the hoh , i was there one time with a very good voice team , and we lose the first match ... ( korea was there )

yeh.. a few things to say about that;
Firstly, why are you afraid of korea? most koreans suck...

Secondly, how can you say that voice is the minimum requirement to win the hoh if you havent won the hoh. I'd put money on it the koreans who beat you were using voice. Everyone i know who wins the hoh uses voice communication.

I've not won the hoh without voice communication and i've won it plenty of times. >sticking to topic< random groups wouldnt get anywhere in tombs and therefore its useless implementing this.

However, i'd fully agree bringing in a similar function as long as it doesn't coincide with the tombs.

emil knight · Sep 06, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Timoz

If your the leader, then its your duty, along with your friends and officers to change the guild and shape it as you want.

The guild is just the way we like it. A group of people who help each other out and do what we like to do in the game. No one forces anyone to do anything they don't want to do. As leader, and with my officers, I guide my guild in certain directions, but if they choose not to follow every time, that's their business. I find that forcing people to do things they don't want or are not ready to do leads to poor performance.

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Originally Posted by Timoz

You said you want to win otherwise you don't like it?.. you don't win through constantly joining random teams and you would not win garunteed if this function were introduced if you came up against a half decent team.

I simply said I wouldn't want to lose every time. That wouldn't be fun. Having it be entirely random all the way through gives my team the same chance as every other team. My team might win, they might lose. At least there would be a chance to win sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Timoz

Even if there was an elimination kinda thing and teams only go in after beating other random teams.. they would again get beatne by a half decent team.

Again we can't assume this would happen. Random means random the whole way through.

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Originally Posted by Timoz

I just don't want rank to seem worthless and fame to be so easy to get as well as the tomb getting clogged up.

I'd like to think a random team would be just as worthy of the honor as any built team. If you can beat the other teams with a mishmosh of classes and skills you deserve the honor.

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Originally Posted by Timoz

Secondly, how can you say that voice is the minimum requirement to win the hoh if you havent won the hoh. I'd put money on it the koreans who beat you were using voice. Everyone i know who wins the hoh uses voice communication.

I've not won the hoh without voice communication and i've won it plenty of times. >sticking to topic< random groups wouldnt get anywhere in tombs and therefore its useless implementing this.

I'm willing to bet there are a few teams that don't use voice that have won. If everyone knows what they are SUPPOSED to be doing before you go in, it could be done. It's a matter of everyone knowing thier roles and knowing thier skills.

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Originally Posted by Timoz

However, i'd fully agree bringing in a similar function as long as it doesn't coincide with the tombs.

If it was all random all the way through, and didn't infringe on the current system I'd agree to it as well. I wouldn't want to see this system screw with those people that do put in the extra time to build teams from the ground up. I just want to see those people who are less skilled and just want to "try it out" to get a chance to see what the big fuss is.

THEIvo · Sep 09, 2005, 07:35 AM // 07:35

HOH and 8v8 shouldn't be mixed. What we need is a new arena.

emil knight · Sep 09, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by THEIvo

HOH and 8v8 shouldn't be mixed. What we need is a new arena.

All we need is a new INSTANCE of the arena with a random button... all the teams are random all the way through but the maps are the same.

I'm sure with a little thought, ANet could accomplish this.

Fr3sH · Sep 09, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

/signed

Here are a few good ideas though:

1) Remove the unworthy ghosts on the stairs for tombs.

2) When players enter randomly, they must wait untill 48 players have queued up to enter randomly.

3) Place the 48 players into 6 teams of 8, in the traditional burial mounds map.

4) The victorious team goes on to the underworld, where they begin to face the organized teams.

Weazzol · Sep 09, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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I too hate waiting, period. Especially when just trying to play a quick few rounds of PVP when I don't have much time to play anyway.

Willow · Sep 10, 2005, 01:46 AM // 01:46

This could be fun- and let me in a game earlier.

The way I would implement it is HoH PuGs do the NPC fight, and then a fight against another random group- and the winner is seeded into the HoH tournament. Basically you have to win against another PuG, then you get to fight anyone. (This will cut out quite a bit of the chaff- actually the first round against NPCs will, but it gives the random groups a chance to go for the hall too.)

Master Oria · Sep 28, 2005, 02:36 AM // 02:36

You know, i just got to say, i really like the idea, half the time i got in with my guild so its fine and easy to get a group. But sometimes I'm just by myself and the only way i can find a group under 10 minutes is by playing my monk. And well i'm sick and bored of playing him. i would preffer play my mesmer or my warrior, but then i cant get a freaken group. So yeah, random button would make that more possible to actualy get to play more then just 1 battle once an hour

Venus · Sep 28, 2005, 02:37 AM // 02:37

/Signed

blane · Sep 28, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21

/Signed
I've never played hoh before and wanna try it out. If this idea is implemented, I can gain some experience and learn how to play without being flamed by elistists or getting my guild group into trouble.

koren · Sep 28, 2005, 12:55 PM // 12:55

/signed

Sure randomly formed teams will get owned most of the time but the point of this is for casual gamers to be able to get into some 8v8 action.

Also, once this is implemented if someone drops out of an already existing group, the missing player can be replaced with someone waiting in line instead of a henchman just like in team arenas.

Timoz · Sep 29, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

...it would just give away so much freakin free fame, pointless.. its never gonna happen unless another arena is made.

leoam · Oct 03, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Timoz

...it would just give away so much freakin free fame, pointless.. its never gonna happen unless another arena is made.

I'm not sure I understand what all the talk about free fame is. If the team isn't any good they won't make it past the ghosts in the first round. I believe that's what the first round is for.

Hellza Poppin · Oct 13, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Been lurking for a long time and just wanted to add my voice to the list of people who don't play HoH gametype and think it's a crying shame that I can't try it out without 1hr of supplication across multiple districts for 10mins of getting 0wned. I agree with previous opinions that you're never going to learn the strats until you get in there and experience it, and it just hasn't been convenient for me to join a guild that actually has enough serious people that are on all the time for a consistent organized experience.

I enjoy many online FPS where you can just jump into a game immediately - the random arena is perfect for me, only it's limited to deathmatch, 4 people and what, 5 maps? In fact, the elitists can keep the HoH and their rank if they just give me more gametypes, maps and group size options in the random arena. And a cross-district group browser would be nice too...

I've always anticipated a game that combines a persistent personalized playing experience (character customization a la MMORPGs) with the 'jump on a server with endless variety of PvP maps and game types' FPS schools of gaming... this is the closest it's come, but if they want me to keep coming back to this game over the next few years instead of moving on to other games, they have to add more casual PvP options in Chapter 2.

zehly · Oct 13, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Tombs are hard for a reason. It's hard to find groups for a reason. The reason is that it is about skill. It's about map control. It's about timing. And it's about experience. And--no offense to any new player--I really don't want a newbie Monk casting Healing Breeze on me when I have -10 degen and 8 hexes. Everyone has to learn, I will admit. Tombs is a place for experienced players, though. And experienced players demand an experienced team.

Let's not talk about FotM because that would screw my argument.